Sport Pilot Talk

yozz25 · Joined: 18 Dec 2009 Posts: 185 Location: vegas

Today I visited the local flight school I've going to by KHND.

After a chat, I went out to the more "exclusive" school, since they have a DA-20 there and figured perhaps I'll train in that which is the closest I can find to the remos.

I look at their menu, and lo and behold, the remos was added to their fleet. Visions of commuting out of town for sports training disappeared.

The clerk told me they are testing it now, but it's not over till the fat lady sings.

Until I am strapped and saddled in
Remos, I will keep mum.

yozz :)

Cub flyer · Joined: 10 Sep 2006 Posts: 593

go get um

glyn · Joined: 12 Jul 2006 Posts: 120 Location: Texas

awesome.. i am helping a guy set up a flying school starting with a Remos GX. got a great deal for him and man it's been an unreal amount of attention. haven't even really doing marketing on the airplane and have already had 6 students sign up. 3 are leaving a local flying club that charges way to much of old airplanes.

yozz25 · Joined: 18 Dec 2009 Posts: 185 Location: vegas

This particular school that has it is also well funded.

They have branches at 2 airports here, do a brisk leasing business and have 3 choppers going out at a time, one behind the other, full of tourists visiting the grand canyon.

So I guess they have the clout to get whatever they want.

Looking at their menu, they have a pretty new fleet. I just noticed that they have in addition the Remos GX Amphibious Floatplane, rents at 175.

I guess perhaps they will set that one up at Lake mead??? The regular remos goes for 119 wet.

Funny, one day nothing, then they change the menu.

Again, fat lady gotta sing.
yozz
:?

PaulM · Joined: 17 Feb 2010 Posts: 4 Location: New Jersey

Yozz,

What's the name of the flight school. Hoping to be out in Vegas in April and want to test fly the Remos and the DA-20.

Paul

yozz25 · Joined: 18 Dec 2009 Posts: 185 Location: vegas

It's called Monarch, you go a few miles south from the strip, to KHND, Henderson Executive Airport, they are there. You just go to KHND, you can't miss it.

They have both the remos and the DA-20.

Guy called last night, said something about 104 for the remos.

He also mentioned that they want to get some people licensed asap to use in ads or something of the sort.

In any case, I am booked for friday, 9 am. Said he got the plane only a few days ago, which makes me a bit nervous, since I like things well tested before I go in them. But being the DA is somewhat similar, I'm not so concerned about the instructor skills, it's the untested plane that is of concern.

When it comes to engines, anything that is going to go wrong due to workmanship, will go wrong early on. I don't know how they break in plane engines, or if they need breaking in, but that is my concern, but not too concerned since I'm still going up, just hope I come down softly.

This school has much experience with the DA jobs, that was the first one I went up in last summer, but wasn't a good experience since it's hot as hell here in summer, went up midday, thought I was going to burn up in addition to hot air from desert floor lifting us all over the place.

In april, the weather is just fine, so no worry about extreme heat.

yozz
:D

PaulM · Joined: 17 Feb 2010 Posts: 4 Location: New Jersey

yozz,

How did it go at Monarch? Did you fly the remos?

Paul

yozz25 · Joined: 18 Dec 2009 Posts: 185 Location: vegas

Flew the remos, 119 wet, they go by tack, thus they multiply tack time by 1.25

Instructor sucked.

Plane is good, but already flew the remos down in az.

It's a great plane as far as I'm concerned, handles nice, no complaints.

Just need an instructor who is not anal.

yozz :P

Cub flyer · Joined: 10 Sep 2006 Posts: 593

multiply the tach by 1.25?

How is that fair depending on what type of flying you are doing.

A mechanical tach is accurate only at the RPM the hour meter is calibrated for. On a mitchell tach it's part of the part number. Not sure if the REMOS is a mechanical recording tach.

If you shoot landings taxing back will be less tach time than a cruise flight.

Cruise trip tach might be accurate. So on a cruise trip you are getting cheated big time.

I always do my maintenance by tach, rental by the hobbs meter. Hobbs meters on oil pressure switches. You don't need the meter running while checking ATIS. Clip board with pencil logs in and out times.

A kitchen timer in the Cub on the panel works just fine.

drseti · Joined: 28 Nov 2009 Posts: 1186 Location: Lock Haven PA

Cub flyer wrote: multiply the tach by 1.25?

How is that fair depending on what type of flying you are doing.

Charlie, in my last plane, in about 3000 hours of ownership, the hobbs meter averaged about 25% higher than the tach. Of course, it varies with type of flying, but over the long term, that's not a bad estimate. Given that...

Quote:
I always do my maintenance by tach, rental by the hobbs meter.

Me too. Seems most fair.

Quote: A kitchen timer in the Cub on the panel works just fine.

Kitchen timer? Doesn't that cut terribly into your useful load, putting the whole kitchen in a cub? :wink:

Must give you an awful sink rate :P

AZPilot · Joined: 25 Jun 2009 Posts: 156

We used to use tach x 1.2 IF the Hobbs failed during a
flight. This is pretty close for routine flight training
at typical light traffic airports.

Maintenance was always done off the tach, billing off
the Hobbs as a matter of course.

Cub flyer · Joined: 10 Sep 2006 Posts: 593

I consider the kitchen sink part of the survival gear. And a blender.

My hobbs is also average about 20% higher than tach on the trainers.

But multiplying on every flight seems kind of dumb.

The average is over a couple hundred hours, not an individual flight which would vary based on average cruise RPM.

yozz25 · Joined: 18 Dec 2009 Posts: 185 Location: vegas

I'm bringing a stop watch along with hand held gps.

Start when engine turned on, stop when engine turned off.

yozz
El Cheapo

snaproll · Joined: 22 May 2011 Posts: 11 Location: Newbury Park CA

Enjoy the Remos.. Good flying machine, stable, and excellent trainer. I fly a GX out of Oxnard airport (CA) and enjoy the handling. Took me awhile to get used to the Rotax but have flown reduction gear Lycomings and Continentals in the past. Good luck...

drseti · Joined: 28 Nov 2009 Posts: 1186 Location: Lock Haven PA

AZPilot wrote: Maintenance was always done off the tach, billing off
the Hobbs as a matter of course.

That's what I did for decades, with Continental and Lycoming powered planes. However, it turns out that the Rotax maintenance manual very specifically states that all maintenance and replacement intervals are to be based upon actual engine hours, independent of engine load. That means the oil change, 100 hour inspection, service bulletins, carb overhaul, gearbox overhaul, and even TBO are all determined by the Hobbs, not the tach! I didn't figure this out until after I had owned my Rotax-powered plane for a few months, and done some maintenance (incorrectly) by the tach. And, apparently not many mechanics know this. I've subsequently done a few Rotax inspections, and the logbooks showed that prior maintenance and inspections were done by the tach. :(

Even though I've been able to save money in the past (Lycoming powered planes) by basing maintenance intervals on the tach, the Rotax policy kind of makes sense. My Dynon EMS, for example, has a user menu where you can tell it what you consider normal cruise RPM to be. Depending on what you set that at, you can make the tach read anything you want! The Hobbs reading, however, does not change, no matter how you program the glass panel.