Sport Pilot Talk

N918KT

I keep seeing SLSAs with powerful 100 hp Rotax engines and they are expensive but I'm wondering if there are any low and slow flying SLSAs. I define a low and slow flying machine that has an engine that produces 65 hp or less, a 2 blade propeller, no flaps, and a maximum continuous speed of no more than 75 knots. If there are low and slow flying SLSAs how much do they cost? Are they much cheaper than other SLSAs?

tadel001 · Joined: 12 Mar 2007 Posts: 251

Check out the CGS Hawk, the Weightshifts, and Quicksilver GT-500 (I think they are making it S-LSA).

David · Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 54 Location: KPTW

I own a sporthornet with a Rotax 100 but it can flylow and slow. I know you can get a sporthornet with a Rotax 80 and I think it can also be ordered with a Hirth, but you would need to contact the company directly.

I have posted under N25dv if you want to see the plane with a Rotax 100

www.sporthornet.com

Good luck find a plane

mcjon77 · Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 36 Location: Chicago

Check out the M-Squared Breese SLSAs. It has a 28mph stall speed and a top speed of 74mph. Economy cruise is 42mph. Best of all, it is only $35K, making it one of the cheapest airplane SLSAs.

pjcampbell · Joined: 08 Jun 2010 Posts: 23 Location: Bergen County, NJ

Hi Kevin,

Why do you want a slow LSA... what do you think about this?

http://www.tecnam.net/files/brochures/P92_Echo_Classic.pdf

N918KT · Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 3:41 pm Post subject:

Actually, tell ya the truth, I like LSAs that go both slow and fast. Both slow and fast are fun, but for some reason, I perceive slow LSAs as being very simple airplanes. I think simple airplanes are fun to fly. Don't get me wrong, I also like advanced airplanes with all the glass instruments a pilot could ever need.

Tell ya the truth, it's hard for me to decide whether I should fly an airplane that goes slow as possible or regular speed like 100-120 kts. I guess I will fly whatever LSA comes to my local airport, if it will ever come.

For my preference, the highest horse power the engine could be is 100 hp. Jabiru 3300s are a little bit too powerful for my LSA tastes. I like a 2-blade prop because I perceive that as a simple plane. High or low wing, doesn't matter.

drseti · Joined: 28 Nov 2009 Posts: 1193 Location: Lock Haven PA

N918KT wrote: I define a low and slow flying machine that has an engine that produces 65 hp or less, a 2 blade propeller, no flaps, and a maximum continuous speed of no more than 75 knots.

You've just described the 1946 Ercoupe 415C, a certificated airplane that (if not modified for a higher gross takeoff weight; many were) qualifies as a S-LSA. They can be had for around $20k in flyable condition, or $30k for pristine examples.

Bill · Joined: 07 Jul 2008 Posts: 96 Location: Delaware Beaches

drseti wrote: N918KT wrote: I define a low and slow flying machine that has an engine that produces 65 hp or less, a 2 blade propeller, no flaps, and a maximum continuous speed of no more than 75 knots.
You've just described the 1946 Ercoupe 415C, a certificated airplane that (if not modified for a higher gross takeoff weight; many were) qualifies as a S-LSA. They can be had for around $20k in flyable condition, or $30k for pristine examples. Yeah for my Ercoupe. I can laze along at 75 or comfortably cruise at 95 (that's MPH, not KTs). It has no flaps, a two-bladed prop driven by 75 Continental HP and "sips" about 5 gallons per hour. My 'Coupe is a "C" model that had never been "altered" in any way - so it can be flown by a Sport Pilot. I fly as a Private Pilot operating under Sport Pilot rules. The plane was in great condition when I bought it and I am improving even on that. I will have the wings recovered this winter and likely do an engine upgrade to "Dream Machine" specs sometime in 2011. I plan to make this plane last for the rest of my (flying) days.

ArionAv8or · Joined: 20 Mar 2010 Posts: 271

The Coupe is an OUTSTANDING bird. I had a 46 415C with no rudder pedals that flew like a dream. You can land her in a 25 knot x wind with no flaps or rudders and it is a total non-event. Sold mine for 28K with new Airtek interior and bubble windshield, only traded up for more speed. As much as I enjoyed the Coupe I can't imagine going back to the low and slow. Now I have the option and absolutely love my Jabiru 3300. I can fly along at 85 knots to take in the scenery or pump it up to 120 knots when I want to get somewhere, all on 5.0 gph. With a climb rate of 1500 fpm, as opposed to my 600 fpm in the coupe, I think I will stick with my new LS-1. If you are looking for a great plane that is easy to fly, low and slow and a part of aviation history it's hard to go wrong with the Coupe.

N918KT · Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:35 pm Post subject:

Thanks guys, I actually love the Ercoupe! I never flown in it before though. I think Aero Ventures up at Bairstown, NJ used to have it but my pilot friend told me that they sold it months to a year ago maybe and there's no SP training in Blairstown anymore. Sigh.

drseti · Joined: 28 Nov 2009 Posts: 1193 Location: Lock Haven PA

N918KT wrote: Thanks guys, I actually love the Ercoupe!

So do I, though I only have a handful of hours instructing in one. I used to be a member of the Ercoupe Owner's Club (great group; I'd recommend them to anyone interested in a 'Coupe), and had been seriously interested in buying one for myself, before I decided to open AvSport. Using an antique in a flight school is probably not a good move. Many potential students would prefer to train in something more modern. In addition, you hate to subject a 64 year old airframe to the rigors of primary training, and the cost of commercial insurance is much higher than it would be for a contemporary LSA trainer. So, even though one of my fellow EOC members offered me his LSA-eligible 415C for less than a quarter of what I ended up paying for my SportStar, it was strictly a business decision to let it go.

That said, they make a wonderful personal aircraft, and if I had not been starting a flight school, I'd be flying one right now.

KSCessnaDriver · Joined: 25 Jan 2009 Posts: 150 Location: KOJC

The Jabiru J170 seems like it does well at the low and slow part, while having a 85 horsepower engine. Lots of fun to fly, while not being too bad on the wallet and not to hard to learn to fly in.