Flight Design Is this Fair for a 5 year old airplane?

[ussyorktown]

If you bought a used 2007 model car that you left the windows down in the rain and the radio got wet and quit. Would you expect the manufacture to replace the radio? If you cleaned the bugs off the front with steel wool should they fix the paint too?

No. I would be the cause and not the merchant and his design and manufacture. He didn't breach anything. (He could have breached the warranty for a particular purpose-if he say his radios are waterproof. If he said "our windshields are so strong you can use steel wool on them."

There are 2 things that I know of that cause the problem you have. One is not using the correct cleaning suppies. The other is leaving the airplane set outside unprotected from the elements

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Warranty of merchantability-FD Loses.
why? other airplanes are left out in the elements and don't get pucked body part. So it is not the same as all the other airpllanes.

Not using the correct cleaning supplies. If FD wanted to tell me that the warranty of merchanbility was voided if I didn't use the materials they required then I could have voided that warranty. But (for sake of arguement, as I never used ANY cleaning fluid) if FD is gonna keep this a secret so as to keep up sales for example, then the Warranty of Merchantability means they pay up to make me "whole." I gave FD good money. Now they MUST give me an airplane that is as good as a Cessna or RV, etc. OR make me whole by giving the difference from what they represented the plane to be and what it really is.

BUT, other airplanes use that cleaning fluid and their wings do not pucker, THEREFORE, their airplane does not pass without objection in the trade.
You're learning a LOT today. (but your bill is now $1,200)

[FastEddieB]

You sheeplishly accepted the "Limited Warranty" that dissolved the Warranty of Merchanability and for a Particular Purpose.

If I'm a sheep, I'm a relatively contented and well adjusted sheep.

A sheep who picks his battles carefully.

A sheep who tries to only get confrontational when confrontation is called for.

Which this sheep finds is pretty rare.

Good luck in your mission. I hope the outcome makes you happy.

[FastEddieB]

I've had companies go above and beyond anything I expected.

LightSPEED, Otterbox and Apple come to mind, repairing or replacing things that were well out of warranty. Kudos to them for that.

The key is, I did not contact any of them expecting the service I got. Once out of warranty, I felt they had honored their part of the deal, and any future problems or repairs were my concern.

Then again, I'm a sheep, not a lawyer, so I'm sure I view the world differently.

[ussyorktown]

Lawyers and soldiers. We love them when we need them and hate them when we don't.
We sleep peaceably in our beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on our behalf George Orwell's belief
"We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." - Winston Churchill

"Yes, making mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep" - Rudyard Kipling (Tommy)

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it." (A Few Good Men) Aaron Sorkin

Good lawyers, like soldiers and sailors sign a blank check for your protection with the amount left blank but including "everything I've got."

[cornfieldflyer]

I drove my used jeep grand cheroke into jeep one day. I pulled up got out and left my keys in the ignition. I went in to ask some questions. As I was asking these questions a sales man or someone came out and Vin'ed my jeep. The next thing I know they have my jeep in the shop. I ask what is going one, I am told its warrenty work.
I said what kind of warrenty work was being done. This man said all brakes rotors pads and lines are being replaced and they went into the tranny and did some work.
I sat there for almost 2 hours then this man comes in the waiting room and starts calling some mans name. I sat there, he then asked who owns the Jeep Grand cheroke. I said thats me, he said, Oh, you are not such and such, I said no, I purchased this jeep from him years ago. This man turned a few different colors.
He said why did I not tell him I was not such and such. I told him no one asked me, they just came and took my jeep for I left the keys in it.
Bet they never do that again. I had new brakes and not real sure what all they did to my tranny but it never shifted in and out of gear better. Did not cost me one penny for any of it. That was the best trip to the car dealer I have ever had.

Tony

[FastEddieB]

ussyorktown,

I appreciate your service to this country.

Thank you.

But how in God's name is it relevant to a discussion of an out of warranty repair on your plane?

Or quotes about how noble and necessary the military is?

I would suggest many problems out there can be handled diplomatically and fairly without bringing a military or legal perspective to it. It's how most normal people deal with them, with military or legal action a last resort, not a a first knee jerk reaction.

Just sayin'.

[ussyorktown]

I would suggest many problems out there can be handled diplomatically and fairly without bringing a military or legal perspective to it. It's how most normal people deal with them, with military or legal action a last resort, not a a first knee jerk reaction.

I agree.

[KSCessnaDriver]

And people wonder why airplanes cost as much as they do? Its because of all the lawsuits that get going because of people like the OP. Apparently, the easy solution to anything is lawyer up and file suit.

[ussyorktown]

The Law is the only thing that protects you. Not the good wishes of manufacturers or merchants.

[KSCessnaDriver]

The Law is the only thing that protects you. Not the good wishes of manufacturers or merchants.

Guess I'll have to stop feeding the troll. I'm sorry, but this thread is about the most anti-general aviation thing I've ever seen on any aviation website. You were offered a part to fix the problem at 90% off, and yet you want to throw the company to the wolves. You sir, are nothing more than a troll, perhaps even one for a competitive company to FD.

My advice to everyone else, stop feeding the troll as well.

[FrankR]

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it." (A Few Good Men) Aaron Sorkin

+1

You are a good American, Yorktown.

You sir, are nothing more than a troll,

Name calling..... I suggest that's bad form, unworthy of proper discussion among cilvilized gentlemen.

I thank Yorktown for $1200 woth of free legal advice and education which directly applies to purchases I've made in the aviation market, and in non-aviation markets. You sir, are a hail fellow, well met.

[ussyorktown]

I appreciate when I can give legal advise to people (as an educator) so they do not get taken advantage of by people who hire lawyers, who then write waivers of your rights in small print and then shove it in your face...while tapping their foot with impatience...for you to foolishingly sign away.
Remember-package delivered and the man demands you sign something...write Not Inspected

When you buy a big ticket item and the man shoves a clipboard at you with a lot of squares to "initial", then you write NA (NA means not applicable)

Turn the tables on people who would get you to unconsciously give up your rights.

[KSCessnaDriver]

Name calling..... I suggest that's bad form, unworthy of proper discussion among cilvilized gentlemen.

I thank Yorktown for $1200 woth of free legal advice and education which directly applies to purchases I've made in the aviation market, and in non-aviation markets. You sir, are a hail fellow, well met.

The truth hurts. Fact of the matter is, until the troll joined this forum, it was 99% of the time civilized and very reasonable on discussions. Now we've got garbage posts like this one, which in this case, is nothing more than an attempt to yet further end GA as we know it.

[ussyorktown]

I donno about that. I get t.v. and newspaper coverage when I save dogs. I fight to expand our runway 1,000 feet and get a control tower. I advance the discussion beyond what you'd hear in a locker room or gas station garage. I'm glad to contribute. When you see a thread that I start DON'T CLICK ON IT and you can stay civilized.

So this nice old lady calls the police about the obscene activity she witnesses from her home.
The cops come and she takes to her bathroom.
"There" she says, pointing at the high, frosted but slightly opened bathroom window.
Cops, "but lady, I can't even see your neighbors house, let alone any obscene activity!"
Lady, "there, stand on that stool I put under the window."

So too here. If you don't like the wisdom I dispense, don't read my posts.

[drseti]

My plane built in 2007. It just developed collapse within the right aleron and trim tab. FD says a new one would cost over $8,000. They have offered to send me new ones for $800. Is this fair?

That's more than fair, Dan. It's damned generous, for a 5 year old airplane long out of warranty. I'd thank them, fix your plane, and then stop trashing them in public, before they withdraw their very kind offer.

And as for all this name-calling (from both sides of the aisle), it will stop. Now!