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FastEddieB wrote: Wouldn’t the Category be Airplane, and the Class Single Engine Land?
That would be true for certified acft. For non-certified LSAs, the categories are SLSA, ELSA, and E-AB. The classes are airplane, glider, WSC, PPT, and gyroplane. See my "Category and Class" EAA webinar:

http://avsport.org/webinars/videos/category.mp4
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drseti wrote:You cited a Part 61 FAR. Part 61 are the flight training rules. Unless you are training to upgrade to Private Pilot, you are flying under Part 91. If you are training to upgrade to Private, you can do solo hours in an LSA without needing any endorsements. To solo a 172, you could get a solo PIC endorsement, but only after you have logged dual for all required pre-solo maneuvers, passed a pre-solo written test on that particular aircraft, and received a solo endorsement for the 172. Dual in the 172 is of course possible, but you can't be PIC in it until you have your private (or that endorsement).
Paul, please provide a regulatory reference to the fact that a pre-solo written is required for additional category/class privileges. It is my understanding based on 61.31 (d) that it is just training and an endorsement.
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I'll have to look that up, Tom. My only point of reference is that I had to do one at Jack Brown's when I did my seaplane add-on. But that might have been just company policy, not regulatory.
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drseti wrote:You cited a Part 61 FAR. Part 61 are the flight training rules. Unless you are training to upgrade to Private Pilot, you are flying under Part 91. If you are training to upgrade to Private, you can do solo hours in an LSA without needing any endorsements. To solo a 172, you could get a solo PIC endorsement, but only after you have logged dual for all required pre-solo maneuvers, passed a pre-solo written test on that particular aircraft, and received a solo endorsement for the 172. Dual in the 172 is of course possible, but you can't be PIC in it until you have your private (or that endorsement).
Check me out on this. Prior to doing a solo for as a PPL student in non LSA plane, you need to also have a 3rd class medical. (They were very careful to make sure I had one before I soloed, in addition to the log book endorsement, government ID, and my student license) Are you sure a sport pilot just needs an endorsement to solo in an non LSA plane as a PPL student?
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WDD wrote:Are you sure a sport pilot just needs an endorsement to solo in an non LSA plane as a PPL student?
No, you're right. A medical is also required. Sorry; I inadvertantly omitted that. :(
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These considerations are partly why I used an LSA when going from Sport to Private. I had already been flying the plane, and during PPL training I could do all the solo flying (or passenger flying) I wanted. I could log instruction as dual received and as PIC. It was nice during training to be able to fly whenever I wanted, and I think that made the checkride easier.

After completing the PPL, I got a couple hours of transition training to let me fly a Cherokee. Had I gone to the Cherokee first, I would not have been nearly as well practiced on the checkride.
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