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You don't need a background in electronics to have a bit more anonymity, just a computer and the internet. And this goes for certified aircraft as well.
The fact that it is publically available is the main reason I always fly in anonymous mode unless I'm doing my quarterly ADS-B test to ensure my system is working properly. Because I don't even want to be tracked when my anonymous mode is off for my own personal ADS-B testing or while on flight following and using a squawk code other than 1200 I recently went one step further and requested a block to all third party vendors that track aircraft, ie internet flight tracking websites. With this request through the FAA they are no longer allowed to share my flight data with any third party vendors. I put in this request through the FAA's LADD website. You can't block the FAA but you can block everyone else.
Here's a link to the FAA's LADD webpage where you can request the block if you want. https://ladd.faa.gov/
ShawnM wrote:You don't need a background in electronics to have a bit more anonymity, just a computer and the internet. And this goes for certified aircraft as well.
The fact that it is publically available is the main reason I always fly in anonymous mode unless I'm doing my quarterly ADS-B test to ensure my system is working properly. Because I don't even want to be tracked when my anonymous mode is off for my own personal ADS-B testing or while on flight following and using a squawk code other than 1200 I recently went one step further and requested a block to all third party vendors that track aircraft, ie internet flight tracking websites. With this request through the FAA they are no longer allowed to share my flight data with any third party vendors. I put in this request through the FAA's LADD website. You can't block the FAA but you can block everyone else.
Here's a link to the FAA's LADD webpage where you can request the block if you want. https://ladd.faa.gov/
Personally, I have no problem with the existence of Anonymous Mode. But my students and renters aren't allowed to use it. And when they're out, I do take advantage of Flighr Aware to keep tabs on them. My plane, my rules!
The upside of this is that my students on XC no longer have to find someone to sign their logbooks.
The opinions posted are those of one CFI, and do not necessarily represent the FAA or its lawyers.
Prof H Paul Shuch
PhD CFII DPE LSRM-A/GL/WS/PPC iRMT
AvSport LLC, KLHV [email protected]
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drseti wrote:Personally, I have no problem with the existence of Anonymous Mode. But my students and renters aren't allowed to use it. And when they're out, I do take advantage of Flighr Aware to keep tabs on them. My plane, my rules!
The upside of this is that my students on XC no longer have to find someone to sign their logbooks.
Heck, forget renters, I like to track myself on flight aware
Warmi wrote:
Heck, forget renters, I like to track myself on flight aware
Hey, if it helps you to remember where you've been...
The opinions posted are those of one CFI, and do not necessarily represent the FAA or its lawyers.
Prof H Paul Shuch
PhD CFII DPE LSRM-A/GL/WS/PPC iRMT
AvSport LLC, KLHV [email protected]
AvSport.org
facebook.com/SportFlying
SportPilotExaminer.US
ShawnM wrote:You don't need a background in electronics to have a bit more anonymity, just a computer and the internet. And this goes for certified aircraft as well.
The fact that it is publically available is the main reason I always fly in anonymous mode unless I'm doing my quarterly ADS-B test to ensure my system is working properly. Because I don't even want to be tracked when my anonymous mode is off for my own personal ADS-B testing or while on flight following and using a squawk code other than 1200 I recently went one step further and requested a block to all third party vendors that track aircraft, ie internet flight tracking websites. With this request through the FAA they are no longer allowed to share my flight data with any third party vendors. I put in this request through the FAA's LADD website. You can't block the FAA but you can block everyone else.
Here's a link to the FAA's LADD webpage where you can request the block if you want. https://ladd.faa.gov/
I think the worry here is not that FlightAware ( and others ) can get their grubby electronic hands on my data but that the FAA can ...
That's where a background in electronics becomes useful, so you can protect from the FAA as well. Not everyone trusts them to use the data they collect for honest, legal purposes!
drseti wrote:Personally, I have no problem with the existence of Anonymous Mode. But my students and renters aren't allowed to use it. And when they're out, I do take advantage of Flighr Aware to keep tabs on them. My plane, my rules!
The upside of this is that my students on XC no longer have to find someone to sign their logbooks.
drseti wrote:Personally, I have no problem with the existence of Anonymous Mode. But my students and renters aren't allowed to use it. And when they're out, I do take advantage of Flighr Aware to keep tabs on them. My plane, my rules!
The upside of this is that my students on XC no longer have to find someone to sign their logbooks.
There are huge chunks missing and the best they can do is attempt some pretty awful linear interpolation instead.
Actually, now that I look at it closer , the second interpolation leg is pretty darn accurate but that’s only because the last leg was flown by my autopilot
On the other hand ,here is the GPS log from my Garmin Pilot ...
drseti wrote:Personally, I have no problem with the existence of Anonymous Mode. But my students and renters aren't allowed to use it. And when they're out, I do take advantage of Flighr Aware to keep tabs on them. My plane, my rules!
The upside of this is that my students on XC no longer have to find someone to sign their logbooks.
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There are huge chunks missing and the best they can do is attempt some pretty awful linear interpolation instead.
Actually, now that I look at it closer , the second interpolation leg is pretty darn accurate but that’s only because the last leg was flown by my autopilot
On the other hand ,here is the GPS log from my Garmin Pilot ...
Garmin_GPS.jpg
That's pretty much what I was getting at. IMO letting renters use anonymous mode wouldn't stop you from seeing where they've been since you can check their GPS logs. Then you can see what they were up to without letting the whole world know.
zodiac flyer wrote:You are mistaken, the generic code shows up to everyone else, the FAA see who you are, even when you are in the anonymous mode.
Their computer system deciphers it.
Dave
I did a little bit more research into this.
The ICAO address is literally the only thing sent for UAT equipped aircraft using mode S and squaking VFR. If the ICAO address is random by turning on anonymous mode then there is no way they can decipher anything because there's nothing to decipher. It's random, not enciphered. If anonymous mode is off then it's the real ICAO address and that is linked to your registration and anyone can view it, not just FAA computers.
Anonymous mode is distinct from the PIA program for 1090ES (where you get a temporary but not random ICAO address and the FAA have the real data and "promise" not to share it) if that was what you were thinking of. Then there's LDD where you still transmit your real ICAO code but the FAA doesn't make it public, but anyone with a receiver can track you.
"An aircraft operator equipped with a 978-MHz Universal Access Transceiver (UAT) for ADS-B Out can, if the hardware supports it, select its anonymous mode during certain operations. Under the rules, the aircraft must transmit its registration number or the call sign filed on the flight plan “except when the pilot has not filed a flight plan, has not requested ATC services, and is using [an approved UAT transmitting a self-assigned temporary ICAO code]."
When you make a LADD request to the FAA to block your data there are two options, "FAA Source" and "Subscriber Level". I opted for the FAA Source blocking which means that the FAA can't share my data with 3rd party internet vendors who offer flight tracking. The FAA still knows who I am and where I am and this has no affect on my ADS-B and is exactly what I want from my ADS-B system.
If you try to track my plane this is the message you get online:
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ShawnM wrote:When you make a LADD request to the FAA to block your data there are two options, "FAA Source" and "Subscriber Level". I opted for the FAA Source blocking which means that the FAA can't share my data with 3rd party internet vendors who offer flight tracking. The FAA still knows who I am and where I am and this has no affect on my ADS-B and is exactly what I want from my ADS-B system.
That won't help with 3rd party trackers especially crowd sourced ones with their own receivers.
Yeah, flight aware is sourcing a lot of data from various volunteers but they do honor FAA "settings" - at least it looks like .
If you you harvesting ADSB data yourself - then it is up to you ...
Sure, anyone can track a plane with a DIY ADS-B receiver but if that plane has the UAT 978 system in anonymous mode, who are they tracking?
For those with a 1090 receiver and no anonymous mode there's yet another step in the process, the PIA program.
I'm just pointing out that while some don't care if they are being tracked there are some who would like to protect that last, tiny shread of privacy they have left. To each his own, right?
