I am flying the wonderful Allegro 2007. See below
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBalY_U_V1E
What are sport pilots actaully flying?
Moderator: drseti
What are sport pilots actually flying
This subject invoked some of the most interesting posts that I have read in a long time.
Re: post from Cub Flyer.
While this site was down I was surfing and came accross X-Air. It seems like fantastic value. I downloaded the "H" manual and said "I could build that airplane". Have you flown one, are they roomy, easy to get in and out? How long do you expect the project to take? What motor are you using? I have seen 582, 912, Jabaru, HKE and Verner mentioned on different X-Air sites around the world.
Have fun building.
Re: post from Cub Flyer.
While this site was down I was surfing and came accross X-Air. It seems like fantastic value. I downloaded the "H" manual and said "I could build that airplane". Have you flown one, are they roomy, easy to get in and out? How long do you expect the project to take? What motor are you using? I have seen 582, 912, Jabaru, HKE and Verner mentioned on different X-Air sites around the world.
Have fun building.
Gone Flying
I have one for sale on amphibious floats if your interested. US amature built and N numbered. 100 hours total time and 170 hours engine since new. More details and photos on www.barnstormers.com
The kit was easy to assemble. It took about twice the time they said it would but was very complete. Bolt together with no painting. The airplane flies kind of like a Piper Vagabond but with heavier aileron forces and less yaw stability. Visibility is very good and cabin is larger. Ground handling is easy and the controls are normal layout.
Slips to landing with full flaps are easy . The climb performance and empty weight the factory lists is impossible to obtain. Cruise is pretty accurate. Stall speed and takoff/landing distance is close.
Mine weighs 639lb on wheels and 820 on floats. Gross depends on who you talk to. I am using 1,232 lbs.
Performance off the water is kind of like a 85 hp J-3. I've just installed a VG kit and some other mods and will try them out later this week.
It has a place between and ultralight and one of the classic light planes (tcraft, cub, aeronca). I have clearcoated dacron sails instead of the mylar material. I figured I could patch dacron if needed.
The kit was easy to assemble. It took about twice the time they said it would but was very complete. Bolt together with no painting. The airplane flies kind of like a Piper Vagabond but with heavier aileron forces and less yaw stability. Visibility is very good and cabin is larger. Ground handling is easy and the controls are normal layout.
Slips to landing with full flaps are easy . The climb performance and empty weight the factory lists is impossible to obtain. Cruise is pretty accurate. Stall speed and takoff/landing distance is close.
Mine weighs 639lb on wheels and 820 on floats. Gross depends on who you talk to. I am using 1,232 lbs.
Performance off the water is kind of like a 85 hp J-3. I've just installed a VG kit and some other mods and will try them out later this week.
It has a place between and ultralight and one of the classic light planes (tcraft, cub, aeronca). I have clearcoated dacron sails instead of the mylar material. I figured I could patch dacron if needed.
"Perfection is finally attained not when there is no longer anything to add but when there is no longer anything to take away." Antoine de Saint Exupery
For X air photos look under the Light sport aircraft section of this site. I have some photos posted under other light sport airplanes but fun to fly. Some action shots of the X air.
"Perfection is finally attained not when there is no longer anything to add but when there is no longer anything to take away." Antoine de Saint Exupery
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eurofoxjames
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- Joined: Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:44 pm
- Location: Atlanta, Ga
I just started training in a Flight Design CT. All my previous experience was flying with my brother in his airplanes; Mooney M20B, Cherokee 140 upgraded to 180 HP, J35 Bonanza and a Debonair. I always wanted to get my license but I had a hard time rationalizing the expense of training. Besides, if I wanted to go flying I just called my brother and off we went.
When local sport pilot training became available locally I jumped at the chance. I don't know what the future holds although my brother is talking about getting a sport pilot compatible taildragger. I really like the idea of building my own airplane, maybe an RV 12? In the meantime once I get my license I'll probably rent the CT.
When local sport pilot training became available locally I jumped at the chance. I don't know what the future holds although my brother is talking about getting a sport pilot compatible taildragger. I really like the idea of building my own airplane, maybe an RV 12? In the meantime once I get my license I'll probably rent the CT.
I encourage anyone slightly interested in building to at least look into it. It a lot of work and a long term project, but in the end you will have a new plane for about 1/2 the cost of a new SLSA. I'm really enjoying the processes.
The RV12 will probably be an excellent choice and RV's traditionally have a high resale value if that's an issue. Take a look at the Zenith CH601XL also. I just had a factory tour/demo flight 2 days ago. Nice people and nice plane. There was a 25 knot wind blowing and the 601XL seems to handle it with ease. Of course the demo pilot deserves some credit too.
The demo plane has a cruise prop and we were doing 130MP IAS - pretty good.
Ron
The RV12 will probably be an excellent choice and RV's traditionally have a high resale value if that's an issue. Take a look at the Zenith CH601XL also. I just had a factory tour/demo flight 2 days ago. Nice people and nice plane. There was a 25 knot wind blowing and the 601XL seems to handle it with ease. Of course the demo pilot deserves some credit too.
The demo plane has a cruise prop and we were doing 130MP IAS - pretty good.
Ron
Re: sport pilots
Is there some sort of allowance for licensed glider pilots to gain a Sport Pilot License with a different requirement for training?Cub flyer wrote: (2) private glider pilots became sport pilots with the maze of sign offs.
I am unfamiliar with all the Sport Pilot regs as I signed up here to get some info on engines as well as have something to read during deployment. As a 170 hr glider pilot with 25 hours of fixed wing training that came to a halt when I ran off and join the Army, that would sure get me into the air in the kit my wife and I want to build quickly.
The way we did it was:
Private glider pilot is higher than a normal sport pilot. We had the glider pilot take three hours instruction with a CFI in the J-3. Instructor #1 signed him off as proficient in the J-3. Then the glider pilot flew with instructor #2 also in the J-3 and he signed him off as proficient in the J-3 and sport pilot airplanes under 87 knots.
I forget the exact signoff wording but can get it for you.
The examining instructor (#2) cannot fly the last 3 hours of training with the glider pilot.
Glider pilot fills out an 8710-11 which instructor #2 signs and it gets mailed in.
This is odd in that there is no formal checkride with a designated examiner and also you keep your glider license. To operate an airplane as a sport pilot you need your logbook with you to show the signoffs if ramp checked.
With the changes to the LSA rule proposed I believe this type of checkride/ checkout will no longer work. It is still legal until any rule changes go into effect.
sportpilot.org was helpful figuring out how to do it.
Private glider pilot is higher than a normal sport pilot. We had the glider pilot take three hours instruction with a CFI in the J-3. Instructor #1 signed him off as proficient in the J-3. Then the glider pilot flew with instructor #2 also in the J-3 and he signed him off as proficient in the J-3 and sport pilot airplanes under 87 knots.
I forget the exact signoff wording but can get it for you.
The examining instructor (#2) cannot fly the last 3 hours of training with the glider pilot.
Glider pilot fills out an 8710-11 which instructor #2 signs and it gets mailed in.
This is odd in that there is no formal checkride with a designated examiner and also you keep your glider license. To operate an airplane as a sport pilot you need your logbook with you to show the signoffs if ramp checked.
With the changes to the LSA rule proposed I believe this type of checkride/ checkout will no longer work. It is still legal until any rule changes go into effect.
sportpilot.org was helpful figuring out how to do it.
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bob_anderson
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- Location: Atlanta
It is official. CZAW is now officially bankrupt!
No more SportCruiser.
It is official. CZAW is now officially bankrupt! Danny and Chip have not been telling you the truth.
CZAW had an agreement with Zenair Ltd of Canada for the manufacturing of the Zodiac and STOL aircraft for Europe. This agreement was canceled because CZAW started making its own copies of the aircraft. CZAW owes millions of US dollars to suppliers and Zenair. It is very likely that Chip Erwin and Danny from www.sportaircraftworks.com will go to jail!
There is no way that people will get their money back on deposits. You need to read the latest documents from the court.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archiv ... est.vol-aa
CZAW is now officially bankrupt. Chip Erwin and Danny need to be in jail!
Regional Court in Brno
Husova 15
601 95 Brno
File no. KSBR 44 INS 1207/2008
In Prague on 26 May 2008
XVII.
Conclusion
The Debtor (or its executive Mr. Ch. W. Erwin) is currently solving the dismal
situation of the company by selling work in progress (i.e. products which have
been allocated a manufacturing number and for which the customers have already
paid advances) to any customer who is willing to pay in cash (without delivering
the products to customers who have duly paid advances for them). The above
practices of the Debtor were supported by the submission of Mr. Leonardo do
Sayago of AEROMARINE, Lda, which was served on the insolvency court on 23 May
2008 (a Czech translation of this submission shall be presented by the Petitioner
to the insolvency court in the nearest future). The biggest customer with
whom the Debtor currently cooperates on this basis is Sprite Aviation.
By such conduct, the Debtor, or its executive, exposes himself to potential criminal
prosecution. At the same time, such conduct of the Debtor damages the assets
and significantly reduction possible satisfaction of the Debtor's creditors.
The Debtor currently lacks sufficient security of its manufacturing facilities,
due to which it is threatened by potential embezzlement and theft, resulting
in decrease of the assets from which the creditors should be satisfied.
The Petitioner believes that, based on the foregoing, it is in the interest of
all involved parties (creditors and members)
to appoint a preliminary insolvency trustee,
who will provide objective information about the Debtor's management and will ensure
further operation of the company within the necessary period in accordance
with the existing possibilities.
Such preliminary trustee should be charged, in particular, with taking steps necessary
to identify and to secure the Debtor's assets. Furthermore, the preliminary
trustee should be charged with a review of the Debtor's books of account
(which show a number of fundamental discrepancies). At the same time, it would
be appropriate for the preliminary trustee to direct the Debtor's conduct and
to handle the assets in a way preventing any further damage to the creditors
caused by the Debtor's conduct.
It is important that anyone involved with CZAW in any way read the details, which are posted at:
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archiv ... est.vol-aa
AIRCRAFT ENTERPRISES LTD.
holding 4515 votes, the member SLAVIA CAPITAL AERO (SC AERO) LIMITED holding
4965 votes, and the member Trihold Limited holding 540 votes. For any resolution
to be adopted, a 67% majority of all the votes of all members was always required.
What is important here is that Chip and Danny of Sport Aircraft Works are the owners of AIRCRAFT ENTERPRISES LTD. in Belize!!
It is official. CZAW is now officially bankrupt! Danny and Chip have not been telling you the truth.
CZAW had an agreement with Zenair Ltd of Canada for the manufacturing of the Zodiac and STOL aircraft for Europe. This agreement was canceled because CZAW started making its own copies of the aircraft. CZAW owes millions of US dollars to suppliers and Zenair. It is very likely that Chip Erwin and Danny from www.sportaircraftworks.com will go to jail!
There is no way that people will get their money back on deposits. You need to read the latest documents from the court.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archiv ... est.vol-aa
CZAW is now officially bankrupt. Chip Erwin and Danny need to be in jail!
Regional Court in Brno
Husova 15
601 95 Brno
File no. KSBR 44 INS 1207/2008
In Prague on 26 May 2008
XVII.
Conclusion
The Debtor (or its executive Mr. Ch. W. Erwin) is currently solving the dismal
situation of the company by selling work in progress (i.e. products which have
been allocated a manufacturing number and for which the customers have already
paid advances) to any customer who is willing to pay in cash (without delivering
the products to customers who have duly paid advances for them). The above
practices of the Debtor were supported by the submission of Mr. Leonardo do
Sayago of AEROMARINE, Lda, which was served on the insolvency court on 23 May
2008 (a Czech translation of this submission shall be presented by the Petitioner
to the insolvency court in the nearest future). The biggest customer with
whom the Debtor currently cooperates on this basis is Sprite Aviation.
By such conduct, the Debtor, or its executive, exposes himself to potential criminal
prosecution. At the same time, such conduct of the Debtor damages the assets
and significantly reduction possible satisfaction of the Debtor's creditors.
The Debtor currently lacks sufficient security of its manufacturing facilities,
due to which it is threatened by potential embezzlement and theft, resulting
in decrease of the assets from which the creditors should be satisfied.
The Petitioner believes that, based on the foregoing, it is in the interest of
all involved parties (creditors and members)
to appoint a preliminary insolvency trustee,
who will provide objective information about the Debtor's management and will ensure
further operation of the company within the necessary period in accordance
with the existing possibilities.
Such preliminary trustee should be charged, in particular, with taking steps necessary
to identify and to secure the Debtor's assets. Furthermore, the preliminary
trustee should be charged with a review of the Debtor's books of account
(which show a number of fundamental discrepancies). At the same time, it would
be appropriate for the preliminary trustee to direct the Debtor's conduct and
to handle the assets in a way preventing any further damage to the creditors
caused by the Debtor's conduct.
It is important that anyone involved with CZAW in any way read the details, which are posted at:
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archiv ... est.vol-aa
AIRCRAFT ENTERPRISES LTD.
holding 4515 votes, the member SLAVIA CAPITAL AERO (SC AERO) LIMITED holding
4965 votes, and the member Trihold Limited holding 540 votes. For any resolution
to be adopted, a 67% majority of all the votes of all members was always required.
What is important here is that Chip and Danny of Sport Aircraft Works are the owners of AIRCRAFT ENTERPRISES LTD. in Belize!!
Things like this are why I'm taking my time on LSAs and waiting to see what happens when Cessna and Cirrus enter the market. There seems to be too many manufacturers for all of them to succeed. I think you have to make at least a hundred airplanes a year (maybe even 200 or more) to be viable for the long-term and to be able to improve your design to meet evolving expectations.
The USD/EUR exchange rate is not helping things. For me (someone looking at LSA because of cost rather than a medical issue) it's starting to make no sense. When I can buy a 5-6 year old SR20 for 150k, or even a 3 year old Symphony with 100-200 hours on it (if I want a 2 seater with not much support) for 120k or less, it's hard to spend 140k for an LSA.
The USD/EUR exchange rate is not helping things. For me (someone looking at LSA because of cost rather than a medical issue) it's starting to make no sense. When I can buy a 5-6 year old SR20 for 150k, or even a 3 year old Symphony with 100-200 hours on it (if I want a 2 seater with not much support) for 120k or less, it's hard to spend 140k for an LSA.
I'm a start to finish Sport Pilot. I got my certificate in 2006 at age 61 and have since logged over 300 hrs in the Allegro 2000. In 2/08 I purchased the Allegro that I had been renting and spent the summer and fall flying to the lower 48. The plane is based at FFZ Mesa,AZ. Next month I'm off to Texas for the 3rd time to visit my son. This summer I'm going to fly Route 66 East and return via the Lewis and Clark trail. Out of over 110 different airports I've been to, there's less than 10 that I woulden't go back to. Ya gotta love this flyin' stuff.
JLH