VOR

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VOR

Postby JJ Campbell » Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:55 am

If the aircraft you are using for your Sport Pilot practical has VOR, are you expected to know how to use it?

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Re: VOR

Postby ShawnM » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:23 am

What's a VOR? :mrgreen:

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Re: VOR

Postby 3Dreaming » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:35 am

You are only supposed to be tested on the items in the practical test standards. I would have to dig mine out, but I don't remember electronic navigation being a required test element.

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Re: VOR

Postby drseti » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:40 am

The acronym VOR doesn't appear anywhere in the PTS. The words "navigation by pilotage, deduced reckoning, and electronic means" do. So, a GPS (or GPS-equipped tablet or cellphone) will certainly suffice.
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Re: VOR

Postby ShawnM » Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:55 am

I took my check ride in my own plane and had to demonstrate I knew how to use the Garmin GPS, it's various functions and how to navigate to an airport. Since I dont have a NAV/COM or any of those other 3 letter thingies it never came up. I had to show my DPE that I knew how to use the equipment that was in my plane. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Re: VOR

Postby MrMorden » Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:05 pm

Put an INOP sticker on it before the checkride...problem solved. 8)
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Re: VOR

Postby drseti » Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:09 pm

MrMorden wrote:Put an INOP sticker on it before the checkride...problem solved. 8)


Ah, but if you do that, you also have to make a corresponding entry into the aircraft maintenance records.
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Re: VOR

Postby 3Dreaming » Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:11 pm

drseti wrote:
MrMorden wrote:Put an INOP sticker on it before the checkride...problem solved. 8)


Ah, but if you do that, you also have to make a corresponding entry into the aircraft maintenance records.


It also needs to be deactivated. This would mean removing the power wire or some sort of mechanical means of preventing it from being turned on.

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Re: VOR

Postby Warmi » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:40 pm

Instead of pulling wires and all that bother ...wouldn’t be just easier to placard it with something “ don’t touch the damn thing if you don’t know what it does” and if the DPE asks just say- I will follow instructions to the letter and won’t touch the damn thing.
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Re: VOR

Postby drseti » Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:06 pm

Easiest solution - if the VOR receiver has it's own push-pull circuit breaker, pull the breaker and put a tie-wrap around it so it can't be pushed in again.
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Re: VOR

Postby 3Dreaming » Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:22 pm

Warmi wrote:Instead of pulling wires and all that bother ...wouldn’t be just easier to placard it with something “ don’t touch the damn thing if you don’t know what it does” and if the DPE asks just say- I will follow instructions to the letter and won’t touch the damn thing.


Because deactivation is required by regulation if you are labeling and instrument inoperative.

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Re: VOR

Postby 3Dreaming » Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:23 pm

drseti wrote:Easiest solution - if the VOR receiver has it's own push-pull circuit breaker, pull the breaker and put a tie-wrap around it so it can't be pushed in again.


That would be an acceptable method of deactivation.

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Re: VOR

Postby JJ Campbell » Fri Sep 20, 2019 4:25 am

What prompted the question is that due to my concern that the weather will soon turn Winter bad at my home airport, as a contingency plan, I tried another flight school. This school has five Tecnam Eaglets (my normal plane). I took a lesson and as luck would have it I think I got the oldest one in the fleet. The CFI said the DPE might expect me to know how to use the VOR. I've read about VOR but never actually saw one before and I really don't want to add something new to my last minute preparations especially when I know that my plan is to build a E-AB gyroplane which will definitely NOT have VOR.

So, since I know the school has at least two planes w/o VOR, should I have to exercise my contingency plan, I will make sure to stick to the non VOR equipped aircraft.

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Re: VOR

Postby rcpilot » Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:18 am

Speaking of VOR. First time I used flight following to go from KHWV to K39N, I had programmed my GPS for a direct flight. NY Approach tells me to "Fly the Kennedy VOR". Of course not having any of that equipment in my plane and being somewhat ignorant I told them can't do that. They just made me climb over the Class B. Subsequently I discovered that I can program VORs on the GPS so that's what I do now.

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Re: VOR

Postby JJ Campbell » Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:40 am

rcpilot wrote: …I discovered that I can program VORs on the GPS so that's what I do now.


Great tip, rcpilot! Thank you.


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