I have not seen a ballistic parachute failure before, except in the case of excessive speed. Maybe that was a factor here?
https://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/C ... 857-1.html
GRS Parachute Failure
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GRS Parachute Failure
Andy Walker
Athens, GA
Sport Pilot ASEL, LSRI
2007 Flight Design CTSW E-LSA
Athens, GA
Sport Pilot ASEL, LSRI
2007 Flight Design CTSW E-LSA
Re: GRS Parachute Failure
It seems to imply that it was not the parachute itself that failed but rather the attachment point on the plane which in turn resulted in partial inflation etc...
Flying Sting S4 ( N184WA ) out of Illinois
Re: GRS Parachute Failure
May those pilots rest in peace.
This underscores the importance of proper engineering and installation. That parachute is something that one should not cut corners on (think inspection and maintanence). Otherwise, you may as well remove it and fly around like a Cessna or Piper.
I view my BRS as part of my insurance coverage, with no second thoughts about it.
This underscores the importance of proper engineering and installation. That parachute is something that one should not cut corners on (think inspection and maintanence). Otherwise, you may as well remove it and fly around like a Cessna or Piper.
I view my BRS as part of my insurance coverage, with no second thoughts about it.
Bill Ince
LSRI
Retired Heavy Equipment Operator
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In the CT forum it was brought up that this seems to be the first operational deployment of a GRS "in the wild". If so, it's a disappointing first experience.
We will know more about the true causes after the investigation. Whether the installation was to manufacturer's specs, how maintenance was performed, and the speed at deployment are questions I'd be curious to know answers to.
We will know more about the true causes after the investigation. Whether the installation was to manufacturer's specs, how maintenance was performed, and the speed at deployment are questions I'd be curious to know answers to.
Andy Walker
Athens, GA
Sport Pilot ASEL, LSRI
2007 Flight Design CTSW E-LSA
Athens, GA
Sport Pilot ASEL, LSRI
2007 Flight Design CTSW E-LSA
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Re: GRS Parachute Failure
Well, there was a single failure to properly deploy in a Cirrus, albeit not GRS.
The pilot managed to regroup and land:
http://www.aero-news.net/annticker.cfm? ... 95ab971053
So far blamed on extreme gyrations when the chute was pulled.
Still, the accident in question is tragic and should raise concerns.
The pilot managed to regroup and land:
http://www.aero-news.net/annticker.cfm? ... 95ab971053
So far blamed on extreme gyrations when the chute was pulled.
Still, the accident in question is tragic and should raise concerns.
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That's incorrect - there have been quite a few operational deployments:MrMorden wrote:In the CT forum it was brought up that this seems to be the first operational deployment of a GRS "in the wild". If so, it's a disappointing first experience.
We will know more about the true causes after the investigation. Whether the installation was to manufacturer's specs, how maintenance was performed, and the speed at deployment are questions I'd be curious to know answers to.
TL Sirius in Germany
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQjxpwzigN4
Sting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRD2tnHpmnA
Virus SW in Canada
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l8ejwiDki0
Flying Sting S4 ( N184WA ) out of Illinois
Re: GRS Parachute Failure
Thanks, I thought that seemed weird considering the number out there. On another forum somebody mentioned both GRS and NTSB said it was the first, glad to see that corrected.Warmi wrote:That's incorrect - there have been quite a few operational deployments:MrMorden wrote:In the CT forum it was brought up that this seems to be the first operational deployment of a GRS "in the wild". If so, it's a disappointing first experience.
We will know more about the true causes after the investigation. Whether the installation was to manufacturer's specs, how maintenance was performed, and the speed at deployment are questions I'd be curious to know answers to.
TL Sirius in Germany
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQjxpwzigN4
Sting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRD2tnHpmnA
Virus SW in Canada
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l8ejwiDki0
Andy Walker
Athens, GA
Sport Pilot ASEL, LSRI
2007 Flight Design CTSW E-LSA
Athens, GA
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Re: GRS Parachute Failure
Maybe GRS meant to say this was the first failure of one deployed in flight (non test).
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- Bruce
Re: GRS Parachute Failure
BTW That Sirius guy in Germany .. I would not deploy grs in a perfectly good plane with just a busted nose wheel.
To me seems like deploying a chute at a pattern altitude is a greater risk than attempting a collapsed nose gear landing in a light sport.
To me seems like deploying a chute at a pattern altitude is a greater risk than attempting a collapsed nose gear landing in a light sport.
Flying Sting S4 ( N184WA ) out of Illinois
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The Sirius deployment looks to be only 150-200 feet AGL. Pretty impressive!
FYI -- There are several more Pipistrel GRS deployments documented as well.
FYI -- There are several more Pipistrel GRS deployments documented as well.
dave
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A bit more from the actual report:
Also, the article definitely got the number of chute deployments wrong:"Metallurgical examination of the separated front anchor revealed that it had been bolted into
aluminum bulkhead skin that was about 0.022-inch thick. Although the anchor and seven of its
eight bolts remained intact, the surrounding aluminum skin of the airplane had separated from
the airplane in overstress. Without any additional supporting structure such as longerons,
stringers, or bathtub fittings, it is likely the thin aluminum skin could not withstand the force
applied to the front anchor during parachute deployment
The Probable cause:The investigation noted that the first
in-flight deployment of the parachute on the make and model airplane was on the accident
airplane during the accident flight.
The pilots' loss of control that necessitated the activation of the parachute system and the
airplane manufacturer's inadequate design of the front parachute anchor attachment structure,
which resulted in a failure of the parachute
dave
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Actually, I think article is correct ... it states that this was the very first deployment of the parachute on the make and model airplane which I have no reason to doubt .. ( never heard of Jihlavan though ..)
Flying Sting S4 ( N184WA ) out of Illinois
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Nope -- the article excluded key parts of the NTSB quote. From the article:Warmi wrote:Actually, I think article is correct ... it states that this was the very first deployment of the parachute on the make and model airplane which I have no reason to doubt .. ( never heard of Jihlavan though ..)
The NTSB said Galaxy Rescue Systems told them the accident was the first time one of the chutes had been deployed in flight. During certification, one test deployment was performed on the ground.
dave