Pilots could now fly bigger planes on driver's license

Talk about airplanes! At last count, there are 39 (and growing) FAA certificated S-LSA (special light sport aircraft). These are factory-built ready to fly airplanes. If you can't afford a factory-built LSA, consider buying an E-LSA kit (experimental LSA - up to 99% complete).

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designrs wrote:
dstclair wrote:Count me in to the population that could've purchased any plane (within my budget) and I chose an LSA. We've beat this to death but it all comes down to your mission and the Sting met mine 6 years ago and still does.
Dave, can you please tell us more about your mission, usage and LSA experience summary over 6 years?
Thanks!
20+ years ago within 10 hrs of earning my PP I embarked on my first aircraft purchase. I wanted (I was going to say 'needed' but we all know that isn't true :D) an airplane capable of hauling my family of 4 to the neighboring states of Texas including the mountains of NM. Picked a 23 year old Cherokee 180 which easily fit my wife, young daughters, 48 gallons of usable fuel and more baggage than an SUV :). Cruised at 125kts burning 10gph. Could fly with another couple if you filled up to the 'tabs' for 36 usable gallons. Got my instrument ticket as soon as I had the hours.

After nearly 5 years of owning Alphie, we moved to the East Coast and the mission changed a bit to include longer distances. We upgraded to a Bellanca Super Viking. Beautiful, handcrafted interior, autopilot and the first GPScom from Garmin. Serious long distance machine and a solid instrument platform. 75 gallons in 3 tanks, burning 15gph at 170kts. Flew this until the 300hp Continental decided to seize up over a South Georgia swamp. Funny, how engines don't run well without oil :D

My wife decided we'd take a break from flying. I never lost my love flying but honestly didn't have the same time to devote to it. Around 7 years ago, I learned about Light Sport Aircraft and thought this was my way back into flying. The kids were going off to college so only needed two seats. Most came with chutes and all had low stall speeds which reduces kinetic energy around the ground. Would've come in handy on final into the swamp.....

I got current in 5 hrs in an Evektor SportStar and was sold on LSA.

Had a long conversation with my fellow engineer wife and brought her up to speed on LSA. She liked the chute, the stall speed and cruise speeds (that were close to the 180) but at less than half the cost. I showed her a very nice 76 Cheetah and Archer II that were half the cost of the LSAs at the time. She didn't blink - she wanted something designed and built this century and not something 30 years old. She then asked would an LSA take her to her daughter in Colorado Springs and I said "yes ma'am"!

My mission for my LSA has been constant: haul my wife and I, 3.5 hrs of cruise, cruise speed at 110kts or greater, chute (absolute requirement from my wife) and baggage for two. New requirement added two years ago was to fit a 10lb spoiled Shih tzu. The 2007 Sting S3 fit the mission practically and legally.

We've flown from Dallas to Destin, most parts of Tennessee, Arkansas, Oklahoma and most of Texas.

Most of the time, I've been a PP with a 3rd class medical although it usually spends a few months lapsed before I get around to renewing.

Also, the Sting is MUCH more fun to fly, especially around the path, than my prior planes. I also believe it takes more skill to land which just adds to the fun.

I've also added bells and whistles over the years that would not be practical in certified aircraft. Added a two axis autopilot for $1500. Upgraded to a 795 GPS for under $2k and added full-time traffic this year for $900. You'd be pushing $20k to do this in a certified plane. No, you don't NEED all this to fly but you have the possibility. In my case, my wife was the one that mentioned these upgrades. She wanted to be able to hit the AP if something happened to me in the cockpit. She also loves being able to see traffic on a big screen. Who was I to argue? :D
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Posting my comments now. Thanks for the link.
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Dave, your experience underscores what Jack and others have been saying here for years. Before you pick a plane, you have to define the mission. Very glad the Sting fits yours as well as it does!
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I'm getting to the point where next week I could legitimately afford an LSA - probably used, and likely a 'professionally built E-LSA' dependent on how the finances/deals fall.

The flip side is that my primary mission is point-a to point-b; in that i typically do longer cross countries, and the 120kt limit has been a rather large damper on me, to the point that finding friends to split fuel with that have faster SR22's and RV7's has become incredibly attractive to me these days.

Anybody know what the most fuel efficient way two people can travel fast and cheap, I'm all ears!
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This is very interesting. This was partly why I got my Sport License instead of private. Sport fits me well, I want to own an LSA honestly, get it converted to ELSA, take the 8 hour course and do my own work/annuals. I have a small strip at home I've built, and it would allow me DIY flying all the way around. I got into flying for the flying, not so concerned with traveling.

But I wouldn't mind having my private to be allowed to fly larger aircraft if needed/wanted. And the option to advance my training into more ratings... just because the learning, challenges and rewards of doing so are very worthwhile (as money allows). I don't think I would have trouble passing a medical, 30 and healthy, but it's the hassle that turned me off (and also hours at the time, now that doesn't matter lol).
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Nothing will narrow down the 'mission' on which an a/c purchase might be made like basing it on a small airstrip, presumably unpaved.

"...next week I could legitimately afford an LSA - probably used, and likely a 'professionally built E-LSA' ..."
I'm not sure how you define 'professionally built' but I would encourage you to apply a pretty elastic definition to your search. A good friend I flew with last week just finished his Just Highlander - an E-AB build - and it was a far more polished build than what comes out of the Just factory or from one authorized Just builder I know. No surprise, as Wes is a retired NASA engineer. His Highlander took first place in the LSA E-AB category at Sun 'n Fun this year. A fellow to whom Wes serves as a technical consultant just set a single piston-powered world endurance record in his Lanceair, flying non-stop from Guam to here in Jacksonville. Bill built the plane himself when he wasn't driving for United; it was his first build. You may have heard of Paul Dye from either the Vans forums or on the NASA channel. He served as a Shuttle Cap Con on many occasions during the last decade, is a very unassuming guy and would be the first to tell you his two RV's are not 'professionally built'. (The 'human factors' research that went into the panel layout is in a class all of its own). And then there are the many 'repeat offenders' out there who have built e.g. each successive RV model after Van introduces it. Or even 'beginner builders' like Pat out at Haller, who had coaching & oversight from fellows who between them had built tens of experimental models, while building his RV-7.

My point is that what an E-LSA/E-AB buyer needs to hang his hat on isn't the aircraft's manufacturing lineage. I know a group of firemen near Lakeland that have had an RV 'factory' for some years now; I wouldn't touch their product. What the buyer needs is to coach/nudge/plead with the seller to deliver the aircraft to a builder who's very experienced in that model and pay for a careful, full examination of what's being sold.
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Excellent, very excellent, content here sharing experiences.
Shows us what a great board and group of people we have here.
Thanks all!
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