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If its the same category/class (airplane land, etc) as your sport pilot certificate, then the only endorsement I can think of that you would need, is the appropriate speed endorsement (> 87 Kts, or <= 87 Kts).LeafAngel wrote:My father in-law owns an E-SLA. He talked me into, OK he didn't have to twist my arm all that hard, getting my LS certificate and I started lessons in August. Will I be able to legally fly his E-SLA and if so, is it as simple as getting an endorsement for his plane from an instructor?
comperini wrote:If its the same category/class (airplane land, etc) as your sport pilot certificate, then the only endorsement I can think of that you would need, is the appropriate speed endorsement (> 87 Kts, or <= 87 Kts).LeafAngel wrote:My father in-law owns an E-SLA. He talked me into, OK he didn't have to twist my arm all that hard, getting my LS certificate and I started lessons in August. Will I be able to legally fly his E-SLA and if so, is it as simple as getting an endorsement for his plane from an instructor?
No. they never were, and now, they've done away with the whole concept of "sets" of aircraftLeafAngel wrote: Yes, but aren't light sport certificates make and model specific ?
You're reading an OLD copy of the regs. It no longer says this! All the "make and model" words were removed.LeafAngel wrote:OK , I think these are the 2 regs. that deal with this question.
FAR 61.317 Is my sport pilot certificate issued with aircraft category and class ratings?
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This regulation no longer exists.LeafAngel wrote: FAR 61.319 Can I operate a make and model of aircraft other than the make and model aircraft for which I have received an endorsement?
Unfortunately, the regs did have "make and model" words peppered in it, but it was never the intention that one get endorsements for each "make and model". The regs talked about having a checkout in each "set" of aircraft. Up until recently, there were several "sets" of aircraft. For airplanes, there were 8 (AP1 thru AP8. Slow/Fast/Trigear/Tailwheel/float/ski). These sets attempted to group aircraft according to similar characteristics. Sport Pilots needed endorsements for each "set" of aircraft they wanted to fly, not each "make and model". Becuase of that confusion, and because the regs still included the poorly worded "make and model" phrase everywhere, all that was removed. Now, the only endorsements you need, are for category/class, and speed.LeafAngel wrote: What is a "set" of aircraft? And, why do they keep mentioning "make and model" if it really doesn't limit you to a specific make and model?
The Sport Star is considered a "fast" airplane, so you'd need the > 87 Kts endorsement to fly it. I'm not 100% sure, but the Odyssey might still be considered a "slow" aicraft, which would require the < 87 Kts endorsement. The "top speed" (whatever the heck that means) for the Odyssey on the Earthstar website, says 87 MPH. Since they don't list a Vh number, I assume "top speed" is the number to use. 87 mph is less than 87 Kts, so you would need that endorsement to fly the Odyssey.LeafAngel wrote: PS: To clarify I'm training in a Sport Star and my inlaw's plane is an Earthstar Odyssey. Both airplane , single engine, land.
There are some old FAA regs out there but the updated ones are at:LeafAngel wrote:Thanks for the help! I found the current regs online at the FAA site. Gee,....who would have thought my new set of Gleim books would have a FAR/AIM with outdated regs.