Let's see, now... twice the price of a well equipped LSA, which is also a 2-place VFR trainer. The guy (and maybe flight schools?) just don't get it.Piper CEO Simon Caldecott said the new models are designed for smaller flight schools who want new airplanes. He said the training market is “no place for a light sport-derived anything.” Flight schools, he said, wanted an airplane with the durability and reliability of the Piper products, but at a price point affordable to local flight schools.
Piper announces new trainers
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Piper announces new trainers
Their new Piper 100, just announced at Sun-n-Fun, is essentially a 2-place, VFR Archer. It's priced at $259k, and is being marketed to flight schools.
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The only thing going for them is the fact that the plane is certified , runs a legacy engine and is a know bran - and to be honest , it probably handles better with a sturdier gear that doesn’t have to compromise with 1320 lbs limit.
Will that be enough for flight schools - I suspect it will ...
Will that be enough for flight schools - I suspect it will ...
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Another "advantage" of the Archer is that it can be flown onto the runway at just about any speed. So the student need not bother with learning airspeed control or even stabilized approaches.
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It is for UND. They already have a zillion of them. Ordered 2 years ago to replace the C-172.Warmi wrote: . . . Will that be enough for flight schools - I suspect it will ...
All well equipped with G-1000.
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Let's hope it is a success. Diversity is a good thing, even in aviation.
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Especially in aviation.TimTaylor wrote:Diversity is a good thing, even in aviation.
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I didn't see that as a political statement at all, Bill.Wm.Ince wrote: Cut the political crap!
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Well, I would certainly expect a CEO of a company competing with LSA planes to say that LSAs have no place in training schools ( and probably anywhere else as far as he is concerned ) ...
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I can appreciate that there is a market for new aircraft for Private Pilot flight schools at what some might call "affordable" prices. This new Piper offering may indeed fit that market. Can't say it can do anything for Sport Pilot schools though.
As a wanna-be flyer myself, I am saddened when anyone in the aviation industry bashes another segment of that industry. News flash - if it flies in the skies it's ALL good..... IMHO.....same goes for all industries.
As a wanna-be flyer myself, I am saddened when anyone in the aviation industry bashes another segment of that industry. News flash - if it flies in the skies it's ALL good..... IMHO.....same goes for all industries.
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Obviously, this particular CEO doesn't subscribe to the Rising Tides philosophy (lifts all boats).Warmi wrote:Well, I would certainly expect a CEO of a company competing with LSA planes to say that LSAs have no place in training schools ( and probably anywhere else as far as he is concerned ) ...
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I share your sadness.chicagorandy wrote: I am saddened when anyone in the aviation industry bashes another segment of that industry.
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I learned to fly in what would today be considered an LSA if only it didn't have that pesky nose wheel. Got my Private in it also, a Champion Tri-Traveler 7FC.
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It wasn't the nose wheel that kept it from being a LSA. The 7FC was based on the 7EC which had a 1450 or 1500 pound gross weight depending on serial number range.TimTaylor wrote:I learned to fly in what would today be considered an LSA if only it didn't have that pesky nose wheel. Got my Private in it also, a Champion Tri-Traveler 7FC.
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I was referring to the additional weight versus the LSA eligible aircraft.3Dreaming wrote:It wasn't the nose wheel that kept it from being a LSA. The 7FC was based on the 7EC which had a 1450 or 1500 pound gross weight depending on serial number range.TimTaylor wrote:I learned to fly in what would today be considered an LSA if only it didn't have that pesky nose wheel. Got my Private in it also, a Champion Tri-Traveler 7FC.
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While it is true that the ancestry of the 7FC goes back to a LSA eligible airplane the nose wheel is not the reason for it to not be LSA eligible today. The nose wheel was added to a later version of the Champ that was already to heavy by the current LSA definition.TimTaylor wrote:I was referring to the additional weight versus the LSA eligible aircraft.3Dreaming wrote:It wasn't the nose wheel that kept it from being a LSA. The 7FC was based on the 7EC which had a 1450 or 1500 pound gross weight depending on serial number range.TimTaylor wrote:I learned to fly in what would today be considered an LSA if only it didn't have that pesky nose wheel. Got my Private in it also, a Champion Tri-Traveler 7FC.