G3X cross country student

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G3X cross country student

Postby Cub flyer » Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:31 pm

Got a kid who is going on his solo cross country in an airplane which just had a Garmin G3X and autopilot installed.

Joking as we were talking about flight planning he says “ how will you know I didn’t just turn on the autopilot and not use all this planning” I said if the flight aware is perfectly straight I’ll be suspect. He says “I can just program in some zig zags”

Hahhah ok kid Got me there. He’ll be just fine. Flies no radio with a Piper Vagabond most of the time so he knows the way.
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Re: G3X cross country student

Postby malexander » Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:52 am

I kid the girl that I'm flying with now about the G3X and the autopilot in the Sling 2. I told her she can't use it, she just looks at me with a "sly" grin.

I'm working on my CFI-S now, but fly A LOT with her. She's 21 yo and wants to get her pilots license SO bad but she's in college now and really doesn't have the time to devote to it full time. So I fly with her every opportunity we get (I own the Sling) and I'm "teaching" her what I know, practicing for my CFI, if you will. And, she's doing great, made a couple of unassisted t/o's and lndgs. a couple weeks ago. She flies left seat every time we fly.

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Re: G3X cross country student

Postby drseti » Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:38 am

malexander wrote:She flies left seat every time we fly.


Which gives you lots of right-seat practice. It's a win-win!
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Re: G3X cross country student

Postby malexander » Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:17 am

drseti wrote:
malexander wrote:She flies left seat every time we fly.


Which gives you lots of right-seat practice. It's a win-win!



My thoughts exactly. :D

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Re: G3X cross country student

Postby Cub flyer » Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:54 am

Best way for me to learn new avionics is try to teach someone how to use them. It forces you to really study and work through menus.
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Re: G3X cross country student

Postby snaproll » Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:54 am

Time have changed.... Did my solo cross country (Riverside Ca to Phoenix Az) with sectionals, stopwatch, a trusty E6, and Narco Mark 3 radio. Relied on navigation skills, check points, and knowledge. All the new avionics are great until they fail or you fly into one of the government test areas where they jam GPS transmissions. Good to still learn the basics of navigation while enjoying the new technology.
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Re: G3X cross country student

Postby drseti » Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:07 pm

snaproll wrote: Narco Mark 3 radio.


Hey, Don, I had the fancy Narco SuperHomer! :D
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Re: G3X cross country student

Postby snaproll » Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:13 pm

Yeah Paul, We were blessed with that 360 channel wonder. Best always... Don

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Re: G3X cross country student

Postby Warmi » Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:19 pm

snaproll wrote:Time have changed.... Did my solo cross country (Riverside Ca to Phoenix Az) with sectionals, stopwatch, a trusty E6, and Narco Mark 3 radio. Relied on navigation skills, check points, and knowledge. All the new avionics are great until they fail or you fly into one of the government test areas where they jam GPS transmissions. Good to still learn the basics of navigation while enjoying the new technology.
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Unless regularly practiced ( which it won’t be since pretty much everyone relies on technology ) nobody will remember this stuff anyway.
I am not going to be paper planning every time just to account for a minuscule chance of encountering a GPS wasteland ... and if I do encounter one, I surely won’t be pulling my E6 ... I will just use basic pilotage skills ( which really requires just common sense ) to get me on the ground or get out of the area.
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Re: G3X cross country student

Postby malexander » Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:13 pm

I still fly with my paper map in my lap, or at least REALLY close by. AND I still draw my line on it. Been doing it this way since 1977, when I got my PPL.

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Re: G3X cross country student

Postby fatsportpilot » Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:10 pm

GPS is very difficult to jam and I don't think unless you're in a serious war zone that there will be any GPS dead spots while you are in the sky not to mention that your receiver might also use GLONASS . It would be more realistic to worry about your GPS machine breaking.

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Re: G3X cross country student

Postby MrMorden » Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:21 am

Ha, when I did my training a decade or so ago I was not allowed to bring a GPS on either my cross country or my checkride.
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Re: G3X cross country student

Postby drseti » Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:52 am

I don't object to teaching, and using, all available technology. When I started, we had to hand-prop the plane. That certainly doesn't mean we should disallow electric starters.
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Re: G3X cross country student

Postby MrMorden » Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:29 pm

Warmi wrote:Unless regularly practiced ( which it won’t be since pretty much everyone relies on technology ) nobody will remember this stuff anyway.
I am not going to be paper planning every time just to account for a minuscule chance of encountering a GPS wasteland ... and if I do encounter one, I surely won’t be pulling my E6 ... I will just use basic pilotage skills ( which really requires just common sense ) to get me on the ground or get out of the area.


My theory is that if GPS goes out, my iPad still has sectionals. Figure out approximately where I am (should already know this!), match sectional to the view outside, navigate via pilotage. Not rocket science.

Now if an EMP or solar flare knocks out all electronics, things get more interesting, but unless you are out in the desert somewhere it's probably pretty easy to find a nearby airport and set down, even without a map to reference.
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Re: G3X cross country student

Postby drseti » Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:33 pm

Andy, in the event of an EMP, my electronic ignition modules will be fried, and I'll be flying a glider. Electronic navigation will be the least of my problems!
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