Remos Thoughts

3Dreaming · Post by **3Dreaming** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 11:11 am

Sailboss, your choice to buy a Remos was yours to make and that is fine with me, but in your post it seems like you are now trying to justify your purchase. Instead of explaining the things you like about your Remos you talk about the things you didn't like about the CT. Here are the things which made me choose a CT. Bigger cabin, more comfortable seats, more baggage space, easier to load the baggage, more fuel capacity, fuel in the wings, faster cruizing speed, longer range, better factory support, and 4 times more airplanes flying in the USA. Do you see how I did that without saying one thing bad about another airplane.

goinaround · Post by **goinaround** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 1:28 pm

What flavor is that koolaide

3Dreaming · Post by **3Dreaming** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:04 am

goinaround wrote:What flavor is that koolaide

There is no doubt about the flavor

. It's not watered down, but does have lots of sugar. I'm proud of my airplane like many of the other owners. When talking about it with other people I try to stay positive about the airplane without saying anything negative about the others.

goinaround · Post by **goinaround** » Tue Nov 02, 2010 3:19 pm

3Dreaming wrote:Sailboss, your choice to buy a Remos was yours to make and that is fine with me, but in your post it seems like you are now trying to justify your purchase. Instead of explaining the things you like about your Remos you talk about the things you didn't like about the CT. Here are the things which made me choose a CT. Bigger cabin, more comfortable seats, more baggage space, easier to load the baggage, more fuel capacity, fuel in the wings, faster cruizing speed, longer range, better factory support, and 4 times more airplanes flying in the USA. Do you see how I did that without saying one thing bad about another airplane.

I am going to get checked out in a CTLS tomorrow weather permitting, the Remos went where ever Remos' go.

I would add that there are numerous things that the ct has that I wish the Remos had, manual trim, bigger vents etc, but to say the ct has more comfortable seats is purely subjective, I beg to differ, longer range is useless as I promise my sciatic nerve ain't sitting in any plane for 5 hours.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and I'm going to give Flight Design another shot tomorrow and hope I'm thrilled.
My big problem is alot of folks will not give a new guy the bad with the good, I know we all must make up our minds for ourselves but I sure wish someone had talked to me about the difficulties that have finally been made "public" as relates to landing the ctsw. Not a bad plane at all but makes much more sense to lay some groundwork in something more forgiving, a remos perhaps or even a 172 so you have a better understanding. I was made to feel as if it was me by going to the fd forum. I had the good sense to try something different before I decided I just couldn't fly.I now have the confidence that I am not sure I was ever going to attain by begining with the ctsw and that came from my experience in the remos and a symphony. I really feel that people were less than honest and that ain't how I roll.

Maybe all the people that fly ct's are used car salesman, I'm kidding.
I'm gonna fly tomorrow and right now what I fly ain't important but I'll always love the remos gx.

zaitcev · Post by **zaitcev** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:01 pm

I may be able to fly a Remos soon, a guy 70 miles away is taking a delivery of one for his flight school. From Twitter:

Flying KROG-KCWC right now, the Remos will be home tonight. 123 ktas, 4.7 gph!

https://twitter.com/nmsportaviation/sta ... 0488005632

drseti · Post by **drseti** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:37 pm

zaitcev wrote:I may be able to fly a Remos soon,

Please be sure to post a pirep; I'm anxious to hear your impression of it. I've only flown the Remos once, so not qualified to give anything except my first impression: nice plane, flies well, but I'm a bit uncomfortable with the fuel tank being in the fuselage.

goinaround · Post by **goinaround** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 5:31 am

drseti wrote:
zaitcev wrote:I may be able to fly a Remos soon,
: nice plane, flies well, but I'm a bit uncomfortable with the fuel tank being in the fuselage.

Where is the fuel tank in your automobile? I think if the fuel cell breaches the cabin it doesn't matter anyway.
What was the last thing to go thru the airline pilots mind when he crashed?
the drink cart

rfane · Post by **rfane** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:42 am

goinaround wrote:
drseti wrote:nice plane, flies well, but I'm a bit uncomfortable with the fuel tank being in the fuselage.
Where is the fuel tank in your automobile? I think if the fuel cell breaches the cabin it doesn't matter anyway.
What was the last thing to go thru the airline pilots mind when he crashed?
the drink cart

Breaches in the cabin are one thing. The drink cart example is the other. The fuel tank is attached to a carbon fibre fuselage section. Carbon fibre has a tendency to shatter when enough force is put on it. Touch down with enough forward momentum, and stop it suddenly, and that fuel tank that weighs up to 140 lbs. when full, could seperate from the cabin wall that it is attached to, and come forward. Which is why I prefer the fuel tanks in the wings.

dstclair · Post by **dstclair** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:11 pm

Seem to be getting off topic (as we often do

)

Wing tanks vs. belly tank borders on a religious debate. There are certain types of impact that will negatively impact either design. I like the single belly tank due to the simplicity of design and operation. No way to run one tank dry, have too little fuel in the appropriate wing tank for a particular landing pattern, etc. I don't do anything in fuel management other than monitor the amount. Others may make different decisions.

The Bellanca Super Viking typically came with 3 tanks: two wing tanks and one belly tank (15g or 1 hour of flying). In some 40 Years of the design there were (at my time of purchase in 1995) no reported ruptures. No fuel leaks at all in my 'off airport landing' in a Georgia swamp.

My Sting S3 has a single belly tank and I am comfortable with the design and testing. Tank is forward of spar and is reinforced with Kevlar and a honeycomb material to resist impact. Obviously, it will not resist a crash puncture, but gear system is designed to act as 'bumpers'. Full tank tested at g loads to +6, -2 with no structural damage.

drseti · Post by **drseti** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:52 pm

dstclair wrote:Seem to be getting off topic (as we often do

Au contraire, monsieur. We're discussing flying; very much on topic!

LightSportFlyer · Post by **LightSportFlyer** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:43 am

goinaround wrote:
My big problem is alot of folks will not give a new guy the bad with the good, I know we all must make up our minds for ourselves but I sure wish someone had talked to me about the difficulties that have finally been made "public" as relates to landing the ctsw.

I was made to feel as if it was me by going to the fd forum. I had the good sense to try something different before I decided I just couldn't fly.I now have the confidence that I am not sure I was ever going to attain by begining with the ctsw and that came from my experience in the remos and a symphony. I really feel that people were less than honest and that ain't how I roll.

You really nailed it. Some people's opinions are bought and paid for and have allowed their financial conflict of interest to totally destroy their objectivity. As you so correctly stated they conveniently leave out the bad and make the individual who merely prefers another product to feel as if they are the problem.

Thank goodness for competition as those who still want to force their opinions on people can go argue with the market and tell it how they know better.

drseti · Post by **drseti** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 12:09 pm

LightSportFlyer wrote:Some people's opinions are bought and paid for and have allowed their financial conflict of interest to totally destroy their objectivity.

Flyer, I notice that you throw around the terms "bought and paid for" and "conflict of interest" rather liberally on this board. If, by them, you mean that some of our colleagues make a living producing, selling, or using LSAs, then I would say hooray for that! If not for them, do you think any of us would have planes to fly, or even be trained to fly them? If a commercial interest automatically means conflict of interest, then then our whole economy is in peril.

As for objectivity, I think everyone on this forum is intelligent enough to make up his or her own mind, and will learn from the opinions of others, no matter how biased those opinions may be.

LightSportFlyer · Post by **LightSportFlyer** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:15 am

drseti wrote:
LightSportFlyer wrote:Some people's opinions are bought and paid for and have allowed their financial conflict of interest to totally destroy their objectivity.
Flyer, I notice that you throw around the terms "bought and paid for" and "conflict of interest" rather liberally on this board. If, by them, you mean that some of our colleagues make a living producing, selling, or using LSAs, then I would say hooray for that! If not for them, do you think any of us would have planes to fly, or even be trained to fly them? If a commercial interest automatically means conflict of interest, then then our whole economy is in peril.

As for objectivity, I think everyone on this forum is intelligent enough to make up his or her own mind, and will learn from the opinions of others, no matter how biased those opinions may be.

Who are you - the self annointed king of this forum ? I nor anyone else don't need your approval to post a comment. My comment merely agreed with the previous poster and I don't need a "scolding" from someone like you who endlessly self promotes himself and his suppposed academic credentials so he can come off as "the supreme being" on this forum.

Let it go, if you want a fight you found the right guy - "doctor".

CharlieTango · Post by **CharlieTango** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:32 am

there is no scolding nor a suggestion that your are not free to post in paul's post.

read it again

bryancobb · Post by **bryancobb** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:21 am

LightSportFlyer wrote: if you want a fight you found the right guy - "doctor".

Never saw THAT MUCH contempt on a leisure activity forum before.

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