Light single-seaters?

Talk about airplanes! At last count, there are 39 (and growing) FAA certificated S-LSA (special light sport aircraft). These are factory-built ready to fly airplanes. If you can't afford a factory-built LSA, consider buying an E-LSA kit (experimental LSA - up to 99% complete).

Moderator: drseti

Jon V
Posts: 156
Joined: Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:10 am
Location: Dallas...

Post by Jon V »

On the subject of training....

There are obviously provisions for DPEs to give practical tests (can't call them checkrides really) to pilots flying single-seat aircraft. That implies that there are students who have been signed off by CFIs to solo single-seat aircraft. That in turn implies that there is some way for a CFI to meet the training requirements without actually being in the plane.

So how many CFIs do that?

A coworker of mine is a big fan (so to speak) of PPC ultralights. The way he "trained" was that the instructor talked him through everything and then stood on the ground with a radio giving him instructions as he flew. Does that, or something like it, happen in the airplane world too?

Obviously the "ideal" answer is to find someone (probably through one of the local EAA chapters) who has an E-LSA and is doing the "you are only paying for instruction, not the plane" thing. In this scenario (assuming I had my SP and bought myself a plane) they would only need to do the Vh < 87 sign-off, which they could do after dual only. There is an EAA chapter nearby that specializes in "lite flyers" ... it's not the closest chapter but I'm going to find out when their next meeting is and pay a visit. However, I wonder whether a CFI could provide sufficient training on the ground to legally/ethically make the endorsement for someone with a single-seat plane.


A plan is forming. :)
User avatar
zaitcev
Posts: 634
Joined: Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:38 pm
Location: Austin, TX
Contact:

Post by zaitcev »

Jon V wrote:A coworker of mine is a big fan (so to speak) of PPC ultralights. The way he "trained" was that the instructor talked him through everything and then stood on the ground with a radio giving him instructions as he flew. Does that, or something like it, happen in the airplane world too?
It used to be like that when new pilots checked out in P-47. Actually, it still is, for the few P-47 still flying. For P-51 they built factory dual-control units, but not for P-47. I knew a gentleman who flew them. He said it was just making sure to give it a good right foot, due to immense power required to lift the airplane off the ground, plus knowing the systems. A senior officer would climb a wing with the new pilot, ask a few questions and release him. As far as I remember, they had no crashes by newbies checking out. Of course by the time they flew P-47s they already had hundreeds of hours in Vultees and Texans.
Jon V
Posts: 156
Joined: Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:10 am
Location: Dallas...

Post by Jon V »

Jack Tyler wrote:snip
Great post Jack.

Economics plays a role, but not in a make or break way. I'm kinda a bargain hunter by nature but my income is decent.

I think everyone approaches "adventure" differently. To me... well, I travel light. Well, I personally weigh too much right now (though I've dropped about 20lbs and counting since my "what happened????" moment) but I can carry everything I need for a week of travel in one hand.

For motorcycle touring I have a system.
Bedroll/sleeping bag/etc: http://www.wolfmanluggage.com/Expeditio ... uffel.html -- about 6lbs loaded
Personal stuff/basic camping gear (hammock, stove, etc): http://specopstech.com/osc/product_info ... 0a70945e75 (mine isn't that color but it has stood up to everything including being strapped to the left side of a bike through a tankslapper/highside/tumble on a dirt road in Colorado...it was dusty and slightly thinner in spots but I still use it.) another 8lbs loaded
My bike uses a pair of pelican 1500 cases for side luggage. I typically put my rain gear and bike stuff (lube etc) in the left case, and the right case carries photographic equipment.
Extra clothes and food get shoved in wherever they can.

All told it amounts to under 25lbs of luggage for me, plus another 5lbs or so for the bike, and I've done multi-week trips packed that way. I've also done trips where I had 75lbs of junk on the bike... I had a cast iron dutch oven along one time, and other really questionable stuff. There's a lesson learned there.

BTW: I use the same specopstech bag for routine travel as well, and it's awesome. I just recently got back from 3 days in the Ozarks and that was the entirety of my luggage. It's tough, well designed, and the company gives good support...I actually had them customize something I ordered from them, nothing major but I was expecting to pay through the nose to have a standard product modified by the manufacturer...and they charged me $3...I was shocked in a good way.

That said, I don't know about the range and speed issue. Years ago I almost bought a CH-701 kit but decided that the speed wasn't sufficient... but at the time I was living in CA and my work situation was different. At the time I was seeing personal flying as more of a practical transport tool, whereas now I see it as more about fun.

As for "work style" ... it's pretty conventional by choice. I'm paid 24 vacation days + 9 holidays a year and they are all "use or lose" so there is no advantage to holding onto them. The caveat is that it's a pain to take more than 2 weeks at a stretch. Last year I did two trips to Colorado, one to California, a trip down to Big Bend national park, camping in New Mexico, Arizona...and still wound up taking a few days just to burn off time before the end of the year. This year will include California (I own a house there so it's a natural), some meandering around the Ozarks, a trip through Canada to Alaska (I'll fly commercial up to around the 49th North and road trip it from there), plus something else late in the year - haven't figured out what. I have the option of going to alternate work weeks (10/4 weeks or the like) but I don't really want to.

My theory is that if a plane can safely do 200 miles in a leg with safe reserve, and is comfortable enough for two such legs a day, it would probably work for me. That's about what my motorcycle can do per leg and frankly I end up feeling rushed and a bit silly when I do more than about 500 miles a day on a bike. I can do/have done a lot more, but what's the point?

Still thinking about it...but it seems a lot more doable now than I would've credited two days ago.
flyboy2007
Posts: 81
Joined: Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:18 pm
Location: wisconsin

Post by flyboy2007 »

I didn't really kep track but was laid off and did it in about 5 months
"Keep on Draggin"
Jon V
Posts: 156
Joined: Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:10 am
Location: Dallas...

Post by Jon V »

That sounds like prime "lemons to lemonade" thinking to me. 5 months is impressive. 8)
flyboy2007
Posts: 81
Joined: Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:18 pm
Location: wisconsin

Post by flyboy2007 »

It is really pretty straight forward and easy, but I had a guy there by the hangar pretty much all the time that has built a bunch of these so when I had a problem or question he was there to help. But it is pretty easy if you have any kind of mechanical ability at all. with the prices the way they are nowadays.... You would be a lot better off just buying one that was already built but take someone with you that knows what they are looking at cause some people just do a bad job but it looks good if you don't know what your looking at. If you have any questions I would be glad to help.
"Keep on Draggin"
Jon V
Posts: 156
Joined: Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:10 am
Location: Dallas...

Post by Jon V »

Thanks Flyboy2007....

My plan right now is to infiltrate the local EAA chapter that call themselves the "Lite Flyers" and are biased towards light sport including "Vh < 87kt" airplanes, trikes, PPCs, and 103 ultralights. Hopefully I'll get to know some locals who can school me on the realities of these things, and especially the realities of flying them in this area. Their next meeting is in July - hopefully I'll be able to attend.
Post Reply