the two I am familiar with are insured just like any other aircraft, with comparable rates.drseti wrote:I imagine he meant to say "prohibitive."3Dreaming wrote: I'm not sure what you mean by, "insurance would be prohibited".
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If you found the right FSDO willing to work with you, you might be able to achieve what you want with the 150.
However, regardless of what was done in the past, in 2018 you'll be hard pressed to find a FSDO to move a Type Certifed airplane into Experimental-Exhibition. Experimental-Restricted, maybe. Experimental-Flight Test, perhaps. But then you lose any functionality you're looking for and eventually the airplane will need to be moved back to its Type Certificated condition.
Basically, it would be a whole lot easier and cheaper to just love the 150 from afar and get a proper LSA aircraft to fly.
However, regardless of what was done in the past, in 2018 you'll be hard pressed to find a FSDO to move a Type Certifed airplane into Experimental-Exhibition. Experimental-Restricted, maybe. Experimental-Flight Test, perhaps. But then you lose any functionality you're looking for and eventually the airplane will need to be moved back to its Type Certificated condition.
Basically, it would be a whole lot easier and cheaper to just love the 150 from afar and get a proper LSA aircraft to fly.
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Oh, You will get insurance for it, but you will pay thru the nose...in most cases3Dreaming wrote:Current Experimental Exhibition rules do limit the aircrafts use somewhat. Older Experimental Exhibition operating limitations are more in line with EAB aircraft.Sling 2 Pilot wrote:As an absolute last resort, he can go "EE" Experimental Exhibition. However, doing so would limit its use and insurance would be prohibited. In the end, you will have your cake, but it is gonna be hard to digest...LOL
I'm not sure what you mean by, "insurance would be prohibited". I personally know of 2 airplanes with Experimental Exhibition airworthiness certificates that are fully insured.
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Yes...drseti wrote:I imagine he meant to say "prohibitive."3Dreaming wrote: I'm not sure what you mean by, "insurance would be prohibited".
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Again, not my experience. The two aircraft I am familiar with are a clipped wing Taylorcraft, and a K-8 glider. Their insurance rates are inline with other similar aircraft in the standard category. It may have more to do with the aircraft than the airworthiness certificate. Anymore most aircraft with experimental exhibition category airworthiness certificates are more exotic than the two I know of.Sling 2 Pilot wrote:Oh, You will get insurance for it, but you will pay thru the nose...in most cases3Dreaming wrote:Current Experimental Exhibition rules do limit the aircrafts use somewhat. Older Experimental Exhibition operating limitations are more in line with EAB aircraft.Sling 2 Pilot wrote:As an absolute last resort, he can go "EE" Experimental Exhibition. However, doing so would limit its use and insurance would be prohibited. In the end, you will have your cake, but it is gonna be hard to digest...LOL
I'm not sure what you mean by, "insurance would be prohibited". I personally know of 2 airplanes with Experimental Exhibition airworthiness certificates that are fully insured.
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It still would not be flyable by a Sport Pilot though, since it lived part of its life above 1320lb.3Dreaming wrote:Current Experimental Exhibition rules do limit the aircrafts use somewhat. Older Experimental Exhibition operating limitations are more in line with EAB aircraft.Sling 2 Pilot wrote:As an absolute last resort, he can go "EE" Experimental Exhibition. However, doing so would limit its use and insurance would be prohibited. In the end, you will have your cake, but it is gonna be hard to digest...LOL
I'm not sure what you mean by, "insurance would be prohibited". I personally know of 2 airplanes with Experimental Exhibition airworthiness certificates that are fully insured.
Andy Walker
Athens, GA
Sport Pilot ASEL, LSRI
2007 Flight Design CTSW E-LSA
Athens, GA
Sport Pilot ASEL, LSRI
2007 Flight Design CTSW E-LSA
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Not only that; there's the matter of stall speed. A 150 may indicate a stall speed below 45 kts clean, but the LSA rule limit is based upon calibrated stall speed.MrMorden wrote: It still would not be flyable by a Sport Pilot though, since it lived part of its life above 1320lb.
Folks are always looking for a way to work around the SP and LSA rules. That's why FAA is reluctant to modify or improve them. In my experience, you're better off just working within them.
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Agreed, and I never said anything to the contrary. I was just speaking to operating limitations and insurance based on my experience.MrMorden wrote:It still would not be flyable by a Sport Pilot though, since it lived part of its life above 1320lb.3Dreaming wrote:Current Experimental Exhibition rules do limit the aircrafts use somewhat. Older Experimental Exhibition operating limitations are more in line with EAB aircraft.Sling 2 Pilot wrote:As an absolute last resort, he can go "EE" Experimental Exhibition. However, doing so would limit its use and insurance would be prohibited. In the end, you will have your cake, but it is gonna be hard to digest...LOL
I'm not sure what you mean by, "insurance would be prohibited". I personally know of 2 airplanes with Experimental Exhibition airworthiness certificates that are fully insured.
Now the experimental amateur built Cessna replica I posted about can be flown by a sport pilot.
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Here is where I'm going with this on YouTube there is a factory built pitts special that they rebuilt and made it available for light sport Pilots
Look it up on YouTube it's called Little Rascal
Look it up on YouTube it's called Little Rascal
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The "Lil Rascal" is a sham. Doc Bailey is a snake oil salesman and leaves a path of broken promises and lies in his wake. His claims of converting existing Pitts and RV-4's to LSA aircraft are simply not possible, they do not meet the letter of the law as put forth in the FAR's.