Rotax 912 ULS loss of power in flight
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Re: Rotax 912 ULS loss of power in flight
If I were you I would not take carb ice as my first answer. The way I understand it m it is basically “diagnosis by exclusion” since you cannot prove or disprove it happening.
Flying Sting S4 ( N184WA ) out of Illinois
Re: Rotax 912 ULS loss of power in flight
Concur with Warmi on this. Sounds like classic carb bowl debris.
Bill Ince
LSRI
Retired Heavy Equipment Operator
LSRI
Retired Heavy Equipment Operator
Re: Rotax 912 ULS loss of power in flight
I drop my bowls quarterly to check the floats, I'm on my third set, and also have a look in the bowl for anything other than MOGAS.
Re: Rotax 912 ULS loss of power in flight
I am definitely not going to take off assuming it was carb icing. Perhaps it was, but like you said I need to eliminate the other possibilities.Warmi wrote:If I were you I would not take carb ice as my first answer. The way I understand it m it is basically “diagnosis by exclusion” since you cannot prove or disprove it happening.
Re: Rotax 912 ULS loss of power in flight
That's actually required at every 100 hour inspection (maybe every four months for me). Quarterly is good!ShawnM wrote:I drop my bowls quarterly to check the floats
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Re: Rotax 912 ULS loss of power in flight
I may be a bit more anal than most and after 3 sets of floats in as many years.....I'm a bit "float" shy now. I have a short list of quarterly maintenance tasks I do to my SportCruiser and dropping the bowls to check the floats and for debris is one of them. It takes very little time to do and it's piece of mind for me. I also understand it's also part of my annual condition inspection.drseti wrote:That's actually required at every 100 hour inspection (maybe every four months for me). Quarterly is good!ShawnM wrote:I drop my bowls quarterly to check the floats
I've never experienced "loss of power" because of the floats, just a rough running engine at times. Pulling the bowls to have a peek just lets me know there's nothing in the bowls that shouldn't be.
Re: Rotax 912 ULS loss of power in flight
Not a bad idea at all. I think semi-annual bowl inspection would be fine.ShawnM wrote:I drop my bowls quarterly to check the floats
Which tool do you prefer for syncing the carbs?
Bill Ince
LSRI
Retired Heavy Equipment Operator
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Re: Rotax 912 ULS loss of power in flight
I personally use the CarbMate (about $180 at Aircraft Spruce), but analog gauges work just as well.Wm.Ince wrote: Which tool do you prefer for syncing the carbs?
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Re: Rotax 912 ULS loss of power in flight
First I should state that I have not used a Carbmate. I use analog gauges. It gives me a good idea of how much change needs to be made to correct the imbalance. Also by using this information along with watching the idle speed I can determine which carb I want to adjust, and which way I want to adjust it.
Re: Rotax 912 ULS loss of power in flight
Thanks to both of you.
One other question . . . on the top end, what RPM do you sync at?
One other question . . . on the top end, what RPM do you sync at?
Bill Ince
LSRI
Retired Heavy Equipment Operator
LSRI
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Re: Rotax 912 ULS loss of power in flight
I start with idle, but check as high as 4000 RPM. As long as they stay matched as RPM increases you should be good all the way to full throttle.
Re: Rotax 912 ULS loss of power in flight
Okay, thanks a lot, 3Dreamer. . .3Dreaming wrote:I start with idle, but check as high as 4000 RPM. As long as they stay matched as RPM increases you should be good all the way to full throttle.
Bill Ince
LSRI
Retired Heavy Equipment Operator
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Re: Rotax 912 ULS loss of power in flight
Same thing happened to me two early springs in a row. After much trouble shooting the first time and replacement of throttle cables, fuel lines and cleaning carbs and fuel distribution block etc I finally dumped the fuel and and put in 100ll which corrected the problem. Second time (the next year) when I lost power I skipped the trouble shooting and just replaced the fuel. My theory is that gas station that supplies car gas was shifting from winter to summer blend and I had vapor lock. I now fly 100ll in the winter and 50/50 MOGAS/100ll rest of the year.
It was the gas.
It was the gas.
Ernie
CFI, LSRM-A
CFI, LSRM-A
Re: Rotax 912 ULS loss of power in flight
UPDATE:
I had a local LSRM meet me at the airport to take a look. He pulled the float bowls and there were some small specks of debris in both of them. They weren't large enough to show up in phone pictures. Debris plugging up one of the carbs seems to be the leading theory of the loss of power but because it cleared itself up immediately after landing there can be no obvious proof.
One thing that I didn't mention before was that this was the first flight after the annual was done and as part of that service all the fuel lines from the firewall forward were replaced. The new lines or the process of installing them could have introduced the debris.
I had a local LSRM meet me at the airport to take a look. He pulled the float bowls and there were some small specks of debris in both of them. They weren't large enough to show up in phone pictures. Debris plugging up one of the carbs seems to be the leading theory of the loss of power but because it cleared itself up immediately after landing there can be no obvious proof.
One thing that I didn't mention before was that this was the first flight after the annual was done and as part of that service all the fuel lines from the firewall forward were replaced. The new lines or the process of installing them could have introduced the debris.
Re: Rotax 912 ULS loss of power in flight
Very common. Especially when new fuel lines are installed over barbed fittings.Dave C wrote:The new lines or the process of installing them could have introduced the debris.
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AvSport LLC, KLHV
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Prof H Paul Shuch
PhD CFII DPE LSRM-A/GL/WS/PPC iRMT
AvSport LLC, KLHV
[email protected]
AvSport.org
facebook.com/SportFlying
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